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SoilWatch 10 / Re: Soilwatch 10 on Talis Apollo data logger
« Last post by pinolec on August 13, 2019, 04:31:07 PM »
Hi,

I have no experience with Talis Apollo datalogger but I have studied configuration manual and it seems that there is no option to power sensor with required 5V. Only options are 0V, 12V or 24V.
Page 22 of the manual. http://www.talis-smart.com/fileadmin/user_upload/APOLLO_Configuration_Manual_11-7-2017.pdf

This would require external power to the sensor (3.1-5V) or use of regulator before the sensor to bring the voltage down to 5V.

Kind regards,
Piotr
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SoilWatch 10 / Soilwatch 10 on Talis Apollo data logger
« Last post by wateresource on August 06, 2019, 06:46:16 AM »
Hi
Can anyone share with me the compatibility and experience of a Soilwatch 10 sensor on a Talis Apollo datalogger
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PIMM / Re: Picture PIMM
« Last post by pinolec on July 16, 2019, 09:59:33 PM »
Hi Nils,

This part was custom made. If you have access to lathe it should be no problem to get 80mm aluminium and drill required hole. It should not be that expensive to make it if you don't have a lathe. Heating bands, I got from local manufacturer selfa.pl here is a link to the exact heating band I am using http://selfa.pl/en/catalog/product/micanite/band-heater-%28micanite-inculation%29-gogo-06138/740 Look locally and eBay as I doubt selfa.pl will post abroad such a small order.

Kind regards,
Piotr
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PIMM / Re: Picture PIMM
« Last post by Xirtam on July 12, 2019, 09:29:25 AM »
Hello Piotr,

Thank you for the fast answer. I rarely have an internet connection. I am currently looking for a provider for this part.

Is there a dealer that offers this together with the heating tape.

best regards Nils
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PIMM / Re: Picture PIMM
« Last post by pinolec on July 11, 2019, 06:46:07 AM »
Well done!

I don't have any documentation about the heating system. It is just PID and heating bands. Nothing too complicated  ;)
Please tell me what causes your uncertainty and I try to help the best I can.

Kind regards,
Piotr
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PIMM / Picture PIMM
« Last post by Xirtam on July 05, 2019, 01:17:00 PM »
Hello,
i started. Have some uncertainty regarding the heating system. Do you have an exact type designation?

best regards Nils
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SoilWatch 10 / Re: Excellent Soil Sensor
« Last post by czuvich on May 19, 2019, 06:47:29 PM »
Thank you for clarifying.  If anyone has done a soil specific calibration + formula with general outdoor vegetable gardens it would be great to share.  Otherwise, I'll post here.

I would be curious though, is there any way to get an estimate on the level of accuracy of the sensors for high organic soils is without calibration?
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SoilWatch 10 / Re: Excellent Soil Sensor
« Last post by pinolec on May 18, 2019, 11:44:24 AM »
Yes, the sensors vary in output but this is most apparent when readings are close to soil saturation. For lower VWC the error introduced by sensor output variance is usually less than 1% VWC.
The installation is very important. The sensor must be in contact with the soil. Any air gaps or difference in soil compaction will have an effect on readings.
Composted soil usually has a high content of organic matter and indeed may saturate at 50% or even higher.
Different soils will saturate at a different level:

Very sandy soils have SP values of less than 20 percent; sandy loam to loam soils have
SP values between 20 and 35 percent; and silt loam, clay loam and clay soils have SP values
from 35 to over 50 percent.

Our generic calibration (conversion curve) will not fit well for sandy, clay or high in organic matter soils. We recommend specific calibration for such soil. Once calibrations are done for such a soil it should be ok to reuse them.

So the 43% or thereabout is to fit as many soils and closely as possible.

Regards,
Piotr
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SoilWatch 10 / Re: Excellent Soil Sensor
« Last post by czuvich on May 17, 2019, 04:36:38 PM »
After some extensive testing, here's my overall input.

The sensors (as stated) do vary a bit in terms of the 3V output.  They usually range anywhere between 2.75-2.9.  I have not seen any of them get to exactly 3V.

My application for these is in agriculture (outdoor gardens).

Since these sensors are FDR (I'm assuming), then you really need to be careful with the installation.  If any of the green stick is exposed to air, your results will be off (read very low).  My suggestion is to dig a small hole in the ground, bury the sensor (including the black part), and pack in the dirt.  Then I highly suggest watering your soil, and THEN taking a measurement.  You should see around 50% in mineral soil (composted soil in raised beds for gardening). 

I'm currently using the following formula for VWC (assuming 50% is the correct estimation... I am definitely looking for some help here with these sensors).

Code: [Select]
float VWC;
   
    // Calculate VWC
    if (sensorVoltage < 1.1) {
        VWC = (10 * sensorVoltage) - 1;
    }
    else if (sensorVoltage < 1.3) {
        VWC = (25 * sensorVoltage) - 17.5;
    }
    else if (sensorVoltage < 1.82) {
        VWC = (48.08 * sensorVoltage) - 47.5;
    }
    else if (sensorVoltage < 2.2) {
        VWC = (26.32 * sensorVoltage) - 7.89;
    }
    else {
        VWC = (62.5 * sensorVoltage) - 87.5;
    }
   
    if (VWC <= 0.0) {
        VWC = 0.0;
    } else if (VWC > 100.0) {
        VWC = 100.0;
    }

I actually disagree with the 43% VWC calculation mentioned on this forum, but please help me understand why 43% instead of 50%.  I saw 50% on the following white paper as well http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ae266.

In regards to soil specific calibration, I have not gone through the 24 hour calibration of my soil.  With that being said, I think I am seeing around 90% accuracy with these sensors uncalibrated for my needs if I follow the installation steps carefully. 

I've considered calibrating my soil and using that as a baseline for other gardeners, but please help me understand if that would be feasible.  Overall, for the money these sensors work very well.  It would be nice to not have to calibrate the sensors, but I think that would probably dramatically increase cost.  Ok... any input is greatly appreciated!
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SoilWatch 10 / Re: Strange SolidWatch 10 behavior
« Last post by pinolec on May 07, 2019, 06:39:09 PM »
Hi,

It looks to me like there may be some connection issues. How do you connect sensors to your board? Do you use a breadboard?
You mentioned it happened with several testing kits. Can you trace it to a single sensor or maybe single ADC pin?

Breadboards are notorious for bad connections and intermittent faults. I'm not sure if this is how you connect your sensors. If you do use a breadboard, then this is your main suspect.

This looks similar to this issue: https://pino-tech.eu/forum/soilwatch-10/soilwatch-10-erratic-readings/

Regards,
Piotr
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